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7 posts. Started 21 Sep 2008 by picbois20. Latest reply 24 Sep 2008 by picbois20. RSS 2.0 feed for this topic RSS
1. picbois20 (picbois20)
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Posted: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 Permalink

I am working on a french translation of the Tag and Report items (Organize Windows). The following translations don't work.
In the Report tab":
1) "the word: "and"": I translate it by "et", but couples and parents are reported with "and". Ex:
reported: Paul Smith and Marie [Boucher] Smith
should be: Paul Smith et Marie [Boucher] Smith
2) "Everyone Else": I translate it by "Autres personnes", but this title in the report and in the table of contents is reported as "EveryoneElse" .

Others questions:
a) I unselected some tags, in the Tags tab, but they are still reported (in light gray)?

b) I want that wifes be reported with her birth name and not her married name. How I can do that ? (For many years now, wifes keep her birth (first) name when she got married; I can't report them with a name that it knew by nobody).

P.S: Excuse me for mistakes, English is not my first language.

2. Louis Kessler (lkessler)
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Posted: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 Permalink

Thank you for pointing these out.

(1) and (2). Yes, there is a mistake in my code for "and" and "Everyone Else". To be honest, I haven't yet thoroughly gone through the report to pick out all the words that are needed to be translated so that absolutely everything would be changed. I'll see if I can finish that up in the next few weeks and then I'll give you an updated version you can try.

(a) On the View menu, click on "Selected Tags / All Tags". That will change between showing only your selected tags, or showing all tags with your unselected tags in light gray. This makes it very easy to see if you want to hide what you're hiding. You can also use the checkbox icon on the toolbar to switch the view.

(b) That is currently a problem I knew someone would eventually mention. Since this version of Behold only reads data and doesn't edit it, there's no easy way to add a indicator to a specific someone to say that they did not adopt their husband's surname. I do realize this is important and is needed, but I've got to figure out how best to implement it. I could store that in the Behold file, but it is data about a person and really should be stored in the GEDCOM file. But GEDCOM files only deal with birth surnames, and no program I've seen records information about the married names a person took on or didn't take on. So there's no GEDCOM tag available for it and I'd have to make a custom tag. Basically, I've been avoiding doing something about this hoping to get to Version 1.5 first. But you're right. I should do something before Version 1 because it is important. Let me see what I can do.

Louis

3. picbois20 (picbois20)
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Posted: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 Permalink

Thank you for answers. Concerning point "b)", my request was not necessary to have a way to do this for a specific person, but to do this globally for all persons (wifes). An indicator in the Behold file should let us choose if we want or not, use husband's surname for wifes. Personnaly I prefere view in the report, the birth surnames as they are stored in the Gedcom file. In this way, you could figure out later, another solution, for a specific person fonctionnality, if necessary.

4. Louis Kessler (lkessler)
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Posted: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 Permalink

I'm glad you don't need the specific person functionality now. A future version would be a better time to add that.

An option for the type of spouse display can be done. But my concept is that most women (in Western cultures at least) are not known by their birth surname but by their married name. So I've made it so Behold would display someone born as Marilyn Brown who then married Johnson and then Smith as:
Marilyn (Brown Johnson) Smith
and she would be indexed under all three surnames.

An alternative, if you want birth name priority might be to show:
Marilyn Brown (Johnson Smith)
and still index under all three names.

Are you asking that she be displayed as just:
Marilyn Brown
and if so, should she only be indexed under Brown or should she also be indexed under Johnson and Smith as well?

Personally, I think you lose a lot of information by method 3, and many women will be hard to identify if you only knew them by their married name.

Louis

5. picbois20 (picbois20)
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Posted: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 Permalink

Hi Louis. I would accept method 3 where Marylin Brown should be only indexed under Brown (her birth surname). With this option we loose some information as you say, but we are sure that this person had be known by this surname sometime in her life (birth, christening, marriage, etc.) (note: we find in the report the "others spouses" of this person, so we can associate her with these others surnames).
Method 2 is an alternative that I prefere to method 1. This way, we don't loose information for women who really be knew by their married name and the birth surname is in "evidence". An inconvenient of this method (and method 1), is that we also report some women with a surname they never had or that nobody know for this person. By example, my wife should be reported with my surname but nobody know her with this surname, and she never use that surname in legal/official document. We introduce, in this case, some "confusion" because we "pretend" that this person has be known with that surname. However, as that surname will be reported between braket, this should be "acceptable".
I let you choose the solution that seem better for you.

Other consideration: I thought we can have multiple NAME tags in a GEDCOM file, by example, when an individual is recorded under different spellings or when an individual changed his/her name by legal or informal process. I think, that should be a (the) way to keep the married name for specific persons, when this information is required. Ex:
1 NAME Marilyn /BROWN/
2 GIVN Marylin
2 SURN BROWN
1 NAME Marilyn /JOHNSON/
2 GIVN Marilyn
2 SURN JOHNSON
2 NOTE Married name
1 NAME Marilyn /SMITH/
2 GIVN Marilyn
2 SURN SMITH
2 NOTE Married name

The surname of these additionnals NAME tags could be append to the birth surname; ex:: Marilyn BROWN (JOHNSON SMITH). If a lot of NAME tags were presents (in case of different spelling or other cases), only surname matching with one the the husband's surname of that woman could be listed.
I understand however that your "actual" solution is "automatic" (based on family records) while this one need that each additonal name (married name in this case) be added (present) in the GEDCOM file for the concerned individual.

Pierre

6. Louis Kessler (lkessler)
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Posted: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 Permalink

I don't know if multiple NAME tags is the best place for married surnames. The main reason is that it is not defined that way in the GEDCOM standard. I've not seen other programs use it for that, and other programs won't interpret it in the right way.

But what I think I'll do is make all three an option on the Organize page for numbering. Method 1 will be the default, since I don't want to change the default for all the other users, but you'll be able to easily select 2 or 3 if you want. It will also be saved in the Behold file so you don't have to respecify it each time.

Then, once I add editing, I'll devise some way to specify in a marriage that one spouse did or did not take the other spouse's surname.

Louis

7. picbois20 (picbois20)
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Posted: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 Permalink

Thanks.

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